The protocol of interrogation R. G. Mindel of March 16, 1935

PROTOCOL OF INTERROGATION R. G. MINDEL
(KREMLIN BUSINESS)

March 16, 1935.

MINDEL R. G., 1906 r, the Jew, the daughter of the small handicraftsman-shoemaker from mountains. Gomel, with incomplete secondary education, under court and a consequence did not consist. Before arrest worked in the Kremlin, holding a position of the secretary of the Secretariat of Presidium of the Central Election Commission of the USSR and the reviewer on legal affairs; in the Kremlin worked since 1926.

QUESTION: In what year you moved to a permanent residence to Moscow?
ANSWER: In 1926.
QUESTION: And at once went to work to the Kremlin?
ANSWER: Yes.
QUESTION: Who employed you to the Kremlin?
ANSWER: ITIN, the member of All-Union Communist Party (bolsheviks) working at that time in Narkomfin who became after that my husband.
QUESTION: Were directly subordinated to Côme Vy by the nature of the work.
ANSWER: To the senior reviewer of TREShchALINOY, manager. Secretariat of Presidium of the Central Election Commission of the USSR to TEREKHOV and his deputy SOTSKOVU.
QUESTION: Why you divorced from ITINYM?
* ANSWER: Because I began to live together with SOTSKOVYM which at the same time with me lived together also with Irina GUGUA, the employee of the Budgetary Commission TSIKA*.
QUESTION: Whether by the nature of the work you had the admission to confidential materials of Presidium of the Central Election Commission of the USSR?
* ANSWER: Yes, I had also the right to use a State Seal and the facsimile t.t. KALININ, ENUKIDZE, MEDVEDEV, TADZhIEVA, TEREHOVA and SOTSKOVA*.
QUESTION: The consequence has data that you, working in the Kremlin, were in a circle of the suspects who do not have any relation to the Kremlin visited together with them restaurants, participated together with them in wine parties, etc. Whether you confirm it?
ANSWER: Categorically I deny it. I assume that rumors about my visits of restaurants are explained by the fact that I lived in “Metropol”.
QUESTION: And who visited you in “Metropol”?
* ANSWER: ENUKIDZE is very rare, three times for all the time of my hotel accommodation; once together with ENUKIDZE I had GUGUA which also lived in “Metropol”; except ENUKIDZE happened: my sister with the husband, the brother, ITIN with the friend of MAGIDINYM, SOTSKOV, TREShchALINA, HVOShchEVSKAYa, ROGACHYOVA, YEFIMOV and dr*.
QUESTION: Means, you deny the fact that you participated in wine parties with the suspects who do not have any relation to the Kremlin?
ANSWER: Yes, categorically.
QUESTION: In that case I show you a photograph on which you are represented in the company of obviously suspicious people and in a condition of obvious intoxication. What can you tell about it?
* ANSWER: On this photograph I am removed together with SOTSKOVYM on a visit at the friend of COTCKOBA of the doctor of BESSONOVA*.
QUESTION: BESSONOV party member?
ANSWER: No.
QUESTION: It has any relation to the Kremlin?
ANSWER: No.
QUESTION: And other persons removed on a photograph are related to the Kremlin?
ANSWER: No. Who they are and them I do not know a surname. One of them some small Soviet employee.
QUESTION: I show you one more photograph on which you are represented with an award of the Red Banner. What can you tell on this matter?
* ANSWER: On this photograph I am removed from AVANESOVYM. The award belonged to it. He put on an award me in shutku*.
QUESTION: And for what you stored at yourself several copies of this picture?
ANSWER: I had one copy, the others transferred to me from ABAHECOBA archive after his death.
QUESTION: The consequence has data that you spread among non-party employees of the Kremlin rumors about the proximity to ranking officers. What can you show on this matter?
ANSWER: I deny it. In particular, I carefully hid the proximity to SOTSKOVU from all. However about me rumors that I am ENUKIDZE “favourite” really circulated.
* In particular, these rumors were spread about me by the employee of the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa USSR HAMILTON which was dismissed after that. I about it was told by Irina GUGUA. Really, the external attitude of ENUKIDZE towards me gave a reason to assumptions that ENUKIDZE lived with me. In particular such rumors began to be spread about me after I went together with ENUKIDZE in its car from Moscow to Leningrad. Except me with ENUKIDZE in the car to this trip there went also the following employees of the Secretariat: HVOShchEVSKAYa, MAKAROVA Galina, KUZNETSOVA and KOH. We went to session of TsIKa. I add that I personally repeatedly pointed ENUKIDZE that its external attitude towards me compromises me. I remember that else in 1927 when ENUKIDZE arrived to TsIKa rest house — “Tetkovo” where at that time I had a rest, I said to it that his arrival is extremely unpleasant for me and gives a reason for distribution of gossips about ours with it vzaimootnosheniyakh*.
QUESTION: The consequence has data that you in a circle of non-party employees of the Kremlin spread different slanderous rumors of anti-Soviet contents. What can you tell about it?
ANSWER: Categorically I deny it.
QUESTION: And which of so-called former people among employees of the Kremlin you know?
** ANSWER: Only on office affairs I faced such persons as: KOTLYaREVSKIY — in the past. minister, consultant of the Budgetary Commission of TsIKa; IGNATYEV — in the past the minister of the Northern Government, the editor-consultant at the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa; Rosenfeld N. A., which mother comes from some princely surname, the employee of the Kremlin library; PANTOVICh *** — in the past the Menshevik or the Social Revolutionary, the consultant of the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa; HAMILTON is the daughter. imperial prosecutor, typist of the Secretariat; Irina GUGUA is the technical secretary of the Budgetary Commission, the daughter of the Menshevik who was repeatedly arrested at the Soviet power; Rogachyova O. M. *** — the secretary of confidential part of the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa, in the past the daughter of the manufacturer or the merchant and the wife of the officer of imperial time; YEFIMOVA is a consultant of the Commission on nationality affairs, the sister of R0GAChEVOY; ABCEHEB — in the past the officer of imperial army, the senior assistant of the prize commission; RAEVSKAYa —. princess, employee of the Kremlin library, woman of easy virtue; MINERVINA — the priest’s daughter, the personal secretary of ENUKIDZE; DAVYDOVA — the sister. minister IGNATYEV, worker of the Kremlin library.
QUESTION: Whether during your work in the Kremlin any of party part of the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa lifted a question of a device contamination?
ANSWER: This question was brought up by MAShchENKO.
QUESTION: And what he achieved?
ANSWER: MAShchENKO was dismissed and left the Kremlin.
QUESTION: With which of above-mentioned employees of the Kremlin you carried on talk of anti-Soviet and slanderous character?
ANSWER: Never with anybody conducted such talk.
QUESTION; And what you know of anti-Soviet moods of these persons?
ANSWER: It is not known. But I was reached by rumors that among non-party employees of the Kremlin any gossips circulated.
QUESTION: I ask to develop this indication.
ANSWER: These gossips mainly became isolated in the sphere of household and everyday questions. Gossiped about the one who with whom lives who uses opportunities of receiving the best rations, apartments, permits in rest houses and resorts, etc.
QUESTION: You obviously try to deceive a consequence. We precisely know that among anti-Soviet the adjusted elements from non-party employees of the Kremlin slanderous rumors of counterrevolutionary character in which distribution also you took part circulated except gossips also.
ANSWER: Categorically I deny the participation in distribution of any counterrevolutionary rumors. About gossips I can add the following: in the office of the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa Elizabeth ISHCHUKOVA ****, the young pretty woman works as the typist. ENUKIDZE treated it kindly, and she was at it at home in Moscow and at the dacha. IShchUKOVA in every possible way advertized ENUKIDZE attitude towards her. She in general differed in garrulity therefore as told me about this HVOShchEVSKAYa, IShchUKOVA reached that openly in the tram told that she is at ENUKIDZE at home, dances a foxtrot, etc. there. On this matter I spoke personally with ENUKIDZE. I told it that I speak with it about IShchUKOVOI not because of jealousy but because his authority is dear to me, and IShchUKOVA obviously compromises him. After this ENUKIDZE ceased to receive IShchUKOVU. Also the following fact is known to me: GVILDIS **** and BUTOVSKAYa ****, both members of the Komsomol, employees of the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa, also advertized the acquaintance to ENUKIDZE and openly told that they are at ENUKIDZE at the dacha and cheerfully there spend time. One of them — GVILDIS, it the voroshilovsky shooter, ENUKIDZE presented a small-bore rifle. About these members of the Komsomol, GVILDIS and BUTOVSKOY, I told TREShchALINOY in such form: “These little girls speak about our old man too much”. As a result of ENUKIDZE also ceased to receive GVILDIS and BUTOVSKUYu at home.
I remember also such case. IShchUKOVA said that it will surely receive the apartment in the new house of Government Cooperative, letting know that “our old man”, i.e. ENUKIDZE will arrange it the apartment.
I immediately reported about this TREShchALINOY which sharply tore off the remark by IShchUKOVOY phone of her gossip.
Gossips extended as well from Bureau of the Secretariat of Presidium of TsIKa among which typists there are women about whom at us rumors as about prostitutes went. One of such is DMITRIYEV.
QUESTION: The consequence is interested in data on anti-Soviet activity and on anti-Soviet moods known to you on the joint work of non-party employees of the Kremlin with them.
What can you show on this matter?
ANSWER: Once again categorically I deny the any participation in this talk.
QUESTION: And such talk was?
ANSWER: I do not know of such talk.
QUESTION: N. A. Rosenfeld Va you know?
ANSWER: I know.
QUESTION: What can you tell about it?
ANSWER: N. A. Rosenfeld is very nervous, izderganny and with hypererethism. It very strange person. It the embittered person. I have about it such impression that all her life becomes isolated in a question of the son.
QUESTION: And political person N. A. Rosenfeld?
ANSWER: It is unknown to me. I met it very seldom.
QUESTION: You are familiar with MUHANOVOY?
ANSWER: No. I know that MUHANOVA works in library, but personally with it it is unfamiliar and I do not exchange bows with it.
QUESTION: ROSENFELD suggested you to get acquainted with one foreigner?
ANSWER: No.
QUESTION: List all your familiar foreigners, having specified where you got acquainted with them.
ANSWER: Categorically I declare what I do not have and there was never any familiar foreigner.
QUESTION: What you still can add to the indications?
ANSWER: I believe that a source of distribution of gossips in the Kremlin, in particular about ENUKIDZE and about women who visited him at home EGOROVA Shura is. EGOROVA works together with ROSENFELD in library of the Kremlin. She lives in the Kremlin as her husband — *** the chief of VTsIK school ***. VORONETsKAYa visiting ENUKIDZE at home personally said to me that it in library of the Kremlin and in general among employees of the Kremlin becomes known about the one who visits ENUKIDZE. According to VORONETsKOY, it occurs because the cadets of VTsIK school standing on posts in a house lobby where there lives ENUKIDZE, KALININ, etc. members of the government tell EGOROV about the one who visits members of the government, and in particular ENUKIDZE. EGOROV, according to VORONETsKOY, let out about it to the wife, and that in turn transferred about it to the colleagues in library of the Kremlin and to other Kremlin employees.
Thus, employees of the Kremlin learned about the one who came to the apartment of ENUKIDZE and when coming to it left him.
QUESTION: You personally are familiar with EGOROVA?
ANSWER: No. It works for us recently, approximately since spring of 1934.
QUESTION: To which of the staff of the Kremlin library EGOROVA was closest?
ANSWER: As I remember, from RAEVSKOY and BURKOVA, and also from GORDEEVA.
QUESTION: Rosenfeld N. You told ampere-second about EGOROVA?
ANSWER: No, never.
QUESTION: Which of the staff of the Kremlin library besides EGOROVA had connections with protection of the Kremlin?
ANSWER: I do not know.
QUESTION: And in general from employees of the device of the Kremlin?
ANSWER: I know that the typist of the Secretariat of Presidium of the Central Election Commission of SKOLKOVO lived with the employee of Commandant’s office POLYAKOV Ivan Andreevich. Spoke about it at us in the Secretariat.
QUESTION: Whether long ago works SKOLKOVO in the Kremlin and that you know about it?
ANSWER: In the Secretariat of Presidium it works years four, before worked in a reception of comrade of KALININ, generally, in the Kremlin it works 10 years. SKOLKOVO was engaged in distribution of gossips of the same order as ELChANINOVA, BURKOVA, etc., i.e. told about the one who with whom lives, said that at ENUKIDZE weakness to women, etc. of SKOLKOVO worked in the Secretariat of Presidium as the typist at confidential work. It is close to NIKITINSKOY.
QUESTION: And what is represented by POLYAKOV?
ANSWER: Someone, I do not remember who exactly, spoke to me that POLYAKOV. the officer, with it I is unfamiliar.
QUESTION: SKOLKOVO was engaged in distribution of slanderous rumors of anti-Soviet character?
ANSWER: I did not hear about it.
QUESTION: Throughout a consequence you obviously try to disorient a consequence. You claim that for all the time of your work in the Kremlin you had not to hear about one anti-Soviet performance proceeding from the circle of those non-party staff of the Secretariat about whom you showed above. You claim, as you did not take part in anti-Soviet talk. The consequence notes that you give false testimonies. May you add something to what you showed?
ANSWER: No.

Indications are written down from my words correctly and are read by me.

R. MINDEL

INTERROGATED: ROOM OF THE HEAD ENO OF GUGB SLAVATINSKY

APRF. T. 3. Op. 58. 233. L. 131-142. Original. Typewriting.

* — * Otcherknuto on fields one line and on fields hand-written Stalin’s dung: “Hamilton. Gugua. To find out”.
** — ** Otcherknuto on fields two lines.
** On fields hand-written Stalin’s dung: “There is a secretariat of Presidium of VTsIK and there is still a Bureau of the secretariat of the CEC”.
*** Surnames are led round in a circle; besides, on fields there is hand-written dung of Stalin: “Pantovich is arrested? To find out”; opposite to other surnames in the paragraph: “Too”.
**** Surnames are led round in a circle and on fields, opposite to the specified surnames, figures are put down: “1), 2), 3)”, and also “hkh, x”.
*** — *** It is led round in a circle, and on fields is available hand-written Stalin’s dung: “Who it. Surname?”.
**** — **** It is led round in a circle, and on fields is available hand-written Stalin’s dung: “To check”, are also put “хх”.

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